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		<title>By: Lonnie Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2267</link>
		<dc:creator>Lonnie Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have attended every year until this year.  

It's to the point why attend every year.  Go every other
year or every third year becuase you won't miss anything.

We must all continue training of management and employee.
To do this cost must be considered based on the value 
received.  "Vegas" came up short this year.

We will be attending Louisville, and attend several  training sessions offered by manfacturers.

"Vegas" next year?  Maybe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have attended every year until this year.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s to the point why attend every year.  Go every other<br />
year or every third year becuase you won&#8217;t miss anything.</p>
<p>We must all continue training of management and employee.<br />
To do this cost must be considered based on the value<br />
received.  &#8220;Vegas&#8221; came up short this year.</p>
<p>We will be attending Louisville, and attend several  training sessions offered by manfacturers.</p>
<p>&#8220;Vegas&#8221; next year?  Maybe!</p>
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		<title>By: Different Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2258</link>
		<dc:creator>Different Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another location would be great. Vegas is too exspensive, too distracting, and the list goes on. it must be figured out how to make it less costly for the dealer. Raise the annual fee to be a member, and everyone gets in at a lower cost, or free. Go to a place where vendors can afford to be there, and carry a little more of the price. The training is excellent, if that is what you are there for. Many employees are there to play, and why not. Hold candy in front of a baby and see if he will reach for it! I don't think a combined show would work because of time. I don't have enough time now at either show, but then again, I am one of the ones who partakes of all that is offered. Yet still the price is high, and I have cut down on how many go also. 
 I think RVDA will come up with a plan that will work. The question is how long will it take?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another location would be great. Vegas is too exspensive, too distracting, and the list goes on. it must be figured out how to make it less costly for the dealer. Raise the annual fee to be a member, and everyone gets in at a lower cost, or free. Go to a place where vendors can afford to be there, and carry a little more of the price. The training is excellent, if that is what you are there for. Many employees are there to play, and why not. Hold candy in front of a baby and see if he will reach for it! I don&#8217;t think a combined show would work because of time. I don&#8217;t have enough time now at either show, but then again, I am one of the ones who partakes of all that is offered. Yet still the price is high, and I have cut down on how many go also.<br />
 I think RVDA will come up with a plan that will work. The question is how long will it take?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Zagami</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2250</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Zagami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always disappointing when members do not support their association or take part in the educational opportunities that can help them grow their business.

I believe there are several reasons attributing to the apathy displayed with the Las Vegas show.

First: we are living in a virtual world and there is very little being offered at trade shows these days (not just RVDA) that one can not find online and without the expense associated with a Las Vegas trip.

Second: like most associations, attendance is down each year and very few trade shows are showing upward trends.

Third: reality is pereception and most people (justifiably) recongize that if you expose your people to all that Las Vegas has to offer, they will most likely choose those offerings over what you may be prsenting at your conference - regardless of how good those offerings might be.

Fourth: the people that do go to Las Vegas for this show are the ones that fully support RVDA and can well afford the expense related to the show. 

It is unfortunate that more dealers do not attend this event, but this is a situation that has existed for years and many of us have written about it in the past.

Associations must change, the old ways simply don't work anymore.  I don't know who said it, but if you keep doing what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've always got.  Never has that been more true than with the RVDA conference.

It might be a little scary to look at the roster of attendees for this years show and then remove from that list all the attendees from the dealerships that are represented in the many committees and executive boards of RVDA.  These people and dealerships will always come because they are totally committed to the association, believe in the value of the association, and will do everything they can to support the programs of the association - they are the true champions.

But this isn't the only measure of success of an association - it's how well you draw from the rest of your membership and if you are not getting this group of people to attend, then there is a real challenge to ever make the association grow.  These are the people that you must convince there is value to the association, their products and services, and the single most important event produced by RVDA each year.

You will get out of an association more than you put into it, and the many dealers that work on the committees and executive boards have figured that out many years ago and that is why you see them supporting and attending this event.

Once again you will hear that common refrain though -  there are just too many shows and dealer events each year and you can not continue to run a successful and profitable business if you try to attend every one of them. 

If the dealers don't support their own association, then the day may come when they don't have one or will have to merge with another industry related association - it's happening everyday in the assocition world today.  

I'm surprised we are not hearing from more dealers on this important topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is always disappointing when members do not support their association or take part in the educational opportunities that can help them grow their business.</p>
<p>I believe there are several reasons attributing to the apathy displayed with the Las Vegas show.</p>
<p>First: we are living in a virtual world and there is very little being offered at trade shows these days (not just RVDA) that one can not find online and without the expense associated with a Las Vegas trip.</p>
<p>Second: like most associations, attendance is down each year and very few trade shows are showing upward trends.</p>
<p>Third: reality is pereception and most people (justifiably) recongize that if you expose your people to all that Las Vegas has to offer, they will most likely choose those offerings over what you may be prsenting at your conference - regardless of how good those offerings might be.</p>
<p>Fourth: the people that do go to Las Vegas for this show are the ones that fully support RVDA and can well afford the expense related to the show. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that more dealers do not attend this event, but this is a situation that has existed for years and many of us have written about it in the past.</p>
<p>Associations must change, the old ways simply don&#8217;t work anymore.  I don&#8217;t know who said it, but if you keep doing what you&#8217;ve always done, you will continue to get what you&#8217;ve always got.  Never has that been more true than with the RVDA conference.</p>
<p>It might be a little scary to look at the roster of attendees for this years show and then remove from that list all the attendees from the dealerships that are represented in the many committees and executive boards of RVDA.  These people and dealerships will always come because they are totally committed to the association, believe in the value of the association, and will do everything they can to support the programs of the association - they are the true champions.</p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t the only measure of success of an association - it&#8217;s how well you draw from the rest of your membership and if you are not getting this group of people to attend, then there is a real challenge to ever make the association grow.  These are the people that you must convince there is value to the association, their products and services, and the single most important event produced by RVDA each year.</p>
<p>You will get out of an association more than you put into it, and the many dealers that work on the committees and executive boards have figured that out many years ago and that is why you see them supporting and attending this event.</p>
<p>Once again you will hear that common refrain though -  there are just too many shows and dealer events each year and you can not continue to run a successful and profitable business if you try to attend every one of them. </p>
<p>If the dealers don&#8217;t support their own association, then the day may come when they don&#8217;t have one or will have to merge with another industry related association - it&#8217;s happening everyday in the assocition world today.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised we are not hearing from more dealers on this important topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2249</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Price and price, the cost of the flight, taxi, hotels, food, misc too much money and never really saw any benefit from attending. Same old stuff every time. Would never attend a Vegas show anyway, dislike the city and would never dream of sending employees without chaperones, way too many temptations. The entire program needs a complete overhaul to benefit everyone not just a select few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Price and price, the cost of the flight, taxi, hotels, food, misc too much money and never really saw any benefit from attending. Same old stuff every time. Would never attend a Vegas show anyway, dislike the city and would never dream of sending employees without chaperones, way too many temptations. The entire program needs a complete overhaul to benefit everyone not just a select few.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2248</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 16:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went for the last three years.  I enjoy the time I spend there but it is not because the show is that good it is not.  There are not enough exhibitors in varied enough fields.  It has been said and it is true that there are to many insurance companies there and not enough manufacturers or suppliers.  My company will continue to go but we will most likely skip classes more and more since they are usually not the most helpful.  We all skipped the last big meeting where they hand out all the recognitions and such it is boring and not relevant to us.  I would not mind seeing a different location for the show I may even bring more people if they did that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went for the last three years.  I enjoy the time I spend there but it is not because the show is that good it is not.  There are not enough exhibitors in varied enough fields.  It has been said and it is true that there are to many insurance companies there and not enough manufacturers or suppliers.  My company will continue to go but we will most likely skip classes more and more since they are usually not the most helpful.  We all skipped the last big meeting where they hand out all the recognitions and such it is boring and not relevant to us.  I would not mind seeing a different location for the show I may even bring more people if they did that.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2247</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re;L/V show,
  They relly should take some hints from the results of 
   the show.
  Take a look at the Power Fest show in Orlando Fl,good pricing,jammed right into the parking lot.Great pricing on the rooms,tons of food spots.{remember orlando is geared for good priced venues etc}Very pro family,safe.
  I spoke to some people who brought the family...Dad was
 working the standing room only show,Mom and the kids hooked up with some other familys that had Dad working the show,and went to Universal and Disney.Every body is happy after that type of deal.
                 Thanks for the rant time,
                    John Lang Pres.
                     Jupiter Hitch &#38; Trailer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re;L/V show,<br />
  They relly should take some hints from the results of<br />
   the show.<br />
  Take a look at the Power Fest show in Orlando Fl,good pricing,jammed right into the parking lot.Great pricing on the rooms,tons of food spots.{remember orlando is geared for good priced venues etc}Very pro family,safe.<br />
  I spoke to some people who brought the family&#8230;Dad was<br />
 working the standing room only show,Mom and the kids hooked up with some other familys that had Dad working the show,and went to Universal and Disney.Every body is happy after that type of deal.<br />
                 Thanks for the rant time,<br />
                    John Lang Pres.<br />
                     Jupiter Hitch &amp; Trailer</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Woodruff</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2246</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Woodruff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I never knew that so few people attended.  Of course, as a dealer or a supplier, I've never attended.  I guess I've never been "sold" on the benefits of attending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I never knew that so few people attended.  Of course, as a dealer or a supplier, I&#8217;ve never attended.  I guess I&#8217;ve never been &#8220;sold&#8221; on the benefits of attending.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.rvtradedigest.com/interactive/2007/10/02/the-show-dealers-chose-to-ignore/#comment-2245</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a independent Rep. and in making dealer calls the two weeks prior to the show I did not find one person going to the convention. When I checked with RVDA to find out what it cost to take the parts mg. and service mg. I could understand why no one was going. I was at the show and when I walked around to see what suppliers were there, there were dam few compaired to all the finance and insurance people that were there. When you consider all the shows for dealers to go to, RVDA, RVIA Louisville, Stag, Coast, NTP and all the smaller WD's it becomes overwhelming and the dealer has to chose which one will he/she get the most out of the dollar spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a independent Rep. and in making dealer calls the two weeks prior to the show I did not find one person going to the convention. When I checked with RVDA to find out what it cost to take the parts mg. and service mg. I could understand why no one was going. I was at the show and when I walked around to see what suppliers were there, there were dam few compaired to all the finance and insurance people that were there. When you consider all the shows for dealers to go to, RVDA, RVIA Louisville, Stag, Coast, NTP and all the smaller WD&#8217;s it becomes overwhelming and the dealer has to chose which one will he/she get the most out of the dollar spent.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a well-seasoned veteran of to many trade shows to mention and with hundreds of hours spent planning and more hundreds of hours spent in booth duty, I feel competent to address this issue.  The answer is very simple and can be defined in one word - COMPETITION!

One show that I am very familiar with used a rotating show site method to allow participants from all areas of the US to be relatively close to the Show.  The Show sites ranged from Boston to Minneapolis to Dallas/Houston, Phoenix, Seattle, LA, and San Diego.  One fact about this type of arrangement was that the Show was always well attended.

Obviously, the Show did not consider Las Vegas as a potential site due the PARTY atmosphere.  It does not take a Harvard MBA to understand the costs associated with Las Vegas.  It takes very deep pockets spend much time in Las Vegas as Greg pointed out in his article. 

While I have not attended an RVDA show, I have visited the Louisville National Show twice.  The most major boondoggle of the Louisville show is the severely cramped parking space.  Other than that, the National Show is first class.

But, there is one more point to Show expense and that is the tremendous burden that is placed on Show space by the Union crews that must do everything from plugging in a phone cord to turning on a light.  If you have been there, you know what I mean.

Personally, a combination of the RVIA and RVDA shows might bring out the best of both industry segments.  Any executive worth his/her salt is always looking for a way to get more bang for their buck.  With travel expenses being what they are today, the Combination concept is worth considering.

Also, it is my bet that RVIA does not owe Louisville anthing special.  Someone should put a bug in the ear of RVIA and suggest that they look at the other nice cities in the area.  Indianapolis is only an two hours North.  Columbus, OH is also close as is Nashville.  Memphis is also within driving distance as is Cincinatti.

Nothing can curb the expenses of Shows like some competition among site cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a well-seasoned veteran of to many trade shows to mention and with hundreds of hours spent planning and more hundreds of hours spent in booth duty, I feel competent to address this issue.  The answer is very simple and can be defined in one word - COMPETITION!</p>
<p>One show that I am very familiar with used a rotating show site method to allow participants from all areas of the US to be relatively close to the Show.  The Show sites ranged from Boston to Minneapolis to Dallas/Houston, Phoenix, Seattle, LA, and San Diego.  One fact about this type of arrangement was that the Show was always well attended.</p>
<p>Obviously, the Show did not consider Las Vegas as a potential site due the PARTY atmosphere.  It does not take a Harvard MBA to understand the costs associated with Las Vegas.  It takes very deep pockets spend much time in Las Vegas as Greg pointed out in his article. </p>
<p>While I have not attended an RVDA show, I have visited the Louisville National Show twice.  The most major boondoggle of the Louisville show is the severely cramped parking space.  Other than that, the National Show is first class.</p>
<p>But, there is one more point to Show expense and that is the tremendous burden that is placed on Show space by the Union crews that must do everything from plugging in a phone cord to turning on a light.  If you have been there, you know what I mean.</p>
<p>Personally, a combination of the RVIA and RVDA shows might bring out the best of both industry segments.  Any executive worth his/her salt is always looking for a way to get more bang for their buck.  With travel expenses being what they are today, the Combination concept is worth considering.</p>
<p>Also, it is my bet that RVIA does not owe Louisville anthing special.  Someone should put a bug in the ear of RVIA and suggest that they look at the other nice cities in the area.  Indianapolis is only an two hours North.  Columbus, OH is also close as is Nashville.  Memphis is also within driving distance as is Cincinatti.</p>
<p>Nothing can curb the expenses of Shows like some competition among site cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Diehl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Diehl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 17:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been involved with a number of industriues who have held annual trade show and conventions.

I think most industries are experiencing a reduction in attendance.  In many cases the focus of the shows has shifted to the information dissemination mode rather than a buying mode where most shows began.

With business being soft for most industries, everyone is watching expenses.  As a result, "what in it for me?"

It is also rare that a small business is the "star " of the show.  This in spite of the percentage of commerce that is done nationwide by small businesses.

Jim Diehl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been involved with a number of industriues who have held annual trade show and conventions.</p>
<p>I think most industries are experiencing a reduction in attendance.  In many cases the focus of the shows has shifted to the information dissemination mode rather than a buying mode where most shows began.</p>
<p>With business being soft for most industries, everyone is watching expenses.  As a result, &#8220;what in it for me?&#8221;</p>
<p>It is also rare that a small business is the &#8220;star &#8221; of the show.  This in spite of the percentage of commerce that is done nationwide by small businesses.</p>
<p>Jim Diehl</p>
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